Reader Email: Who Wins in a Fight Between NBA Players and NHL Players?
Reader Email
Mo,
My brother and I got into a very intense argument about the toughness of athletes while watching the sixers game. The argument started when he said “basketball players are all pussies”. I disagreed, explaining that the game of basketball is very rough especially talking into consideration the size and nature of the athletes. I believe this misrepresentation “all basketball players are pussies” is a common mindset among whites.
Long story short, the conversation eventually came down to (no kidding) who would win in a fight: average NHL hockey player vs. average NBA basketball player?
Regards,
-Nickels
Oh it might be time for some debate. Before even writing this blog I had a long GChat with (former?) Barstool Philly writer CL trying to get his perspective on the whole thing. In the end we both agreed on a winner: NBA Players.
I would agree that the average NHL player is tougher than the average NBA player, but in the real world that doesn’t necessarily mean they would win in a fight. Size of the fight in the dog my ass. Let’s see that dog square off against Marcin Gortat or Kendrick Perkins. Yeah, that tough, fight-filled dog would be deader Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.
There are a handful of NHL players I think could run through most of the NBA fight-wise (Chara comes to mind), but as a whole there’s no way these scrappy 5’9″ Canadians/Euros are gonna be able to win a fight against human monsters like Dwight Howard and LeBron James. NO WAY. Shaq was bigger than the Big Show. Even pussies like Carmelo are 6’8″ 230. Fuck outta here with your “goons”.
Also, CL and I had a good time imagining the outcome of a giant 30-man NBA Royal Rumble-style fight. Here are some of the conclusions we came to with the Royal Rumble theory:
Chris Bosh is 100% the first guy out. He will then cry all the way to the locker room.
LeBron James, a strong candidate to win, would be ganged up on and taken out early.
Pau Gasol is another immediate out, probably ganged up by both Lopez bros.
Kobe Bryant will use manipulation and mind tricks to stay in the ring.
Josh Smith will be one of the last guys; too big, athletic, young, dumb, and hood.
Birdman will use chairs.
Crazy-ass Metta World Peace is somehow your winner.
I’m curious to see who you guys think would win that NBA rumble. But first, please tell me why I’m stupid for thinking the NHL couldn’t beat up the NBA. Time’s yours.
of course. nig picks the nigs
First of all there’s more NHL players. Second it’s a well known fact that 99 percent of black people can’t fight
I think the issue is “average”. Almost every guy you named is a star. I’m pretty sure Shawn Thorton would kick the shit out of JJ Barea or JJ Reddick or Tony Allen. Now if it was straight up NHL vs NBA, I’d probably take NBA.
The real question is how badly would MLB players get their shit kicked in? I don’t even know if they would beat the MLS.
ERRONEOUS!! you ever watch a basketball fight? It’s all slappers…. and the question was average vs average…. if you want to pull out specific players… Chara and most defensemen would knock any of the slap-happy sallies out on a court… No chance Lebron can fight… Howard and a handful of guys would be a closer call… Shaq is a geriatric…..
Adam McQuaid. Boston Bruins.
Zdeno Chara Vs. Muggsy Bogues
Black people are the biggest pussies on the planet, and legit dont even know how to throw a proper punch. You catch one of these oafs on the button and its sheets. Fact. And Blake Griffin wins NBA Royal Rumble.
The average NBA Player is 6’6. Average NHL Player is 6’1. But I’m going with the NHL Player. The average NHL player will most likely have been in a fight before. Have you seen NBA fights. Just a punch of guys pushing each other acting tough, not exactly a hockey fight. Hockey guys with the win
i mean come on who did everyone think mo was going to choose? the guy kmows like 3 to 6 nhl teams tops
And also dude you’re black(no offense there, in my opinion you are the funniest barstool writer), obviously you don’t follow the NHL other than how Wayne Simmonds is doing now and again. With that said, the Average NHL player is definitely around 6’2 and 220. They are all bigger guys, and fill out with time to maximum muscular weight. Also, they play in a game where fighting is a serious part of play, and have experience. They aren’t scrubs who can’t handle fighting, and probably would outsmart most NBA players in a fight.
i dont see any sort of argument here. NHL would destroy the NBA. first of all NHL fighters practice boxing all the time just like they practice hockey. through the off season a lot of them get in the ring. also NHL skaters are extremely well balanced to be able to do what they can on the ice. NBA wouldnt be able to take a punch. It would be a beat down for the NHL
i guarantee 97% of NBA players can’t skate or avoid ice/water all together… if were are talking street fight ill give the edge to the average NBA player. On ice, no contest.
Gronk would show up, spike a football and the ensuing earthquake would knock everyone out
This question is fucking retarded. You’ve missed the most important aspect of the “fight”. Is it on the ice or on pavement? You fucking Urkel.
^leave it to asshole boston fans to bring up some irrelevant point about their fuck slave gronkowski, wish that guy would die in a horrible car accident already like he’s destined to.
Hockey players are tougher and most of them are 6’2 and up weighing about 225+ they could hang with most NBA players, only ones I’d have money on is Shaq in his prime, Perkins, Tyson Chandler, D Howard, and a few other centers and P forwards
Dude hockey players fight on skates and knock eachother the fuck out, whereas NBA players fight on a floor in shoes and I have yet to see anyone other than Stephen Jackson connect. Donald Brashear would have made Lebron James eat his own shit.
Nothing against basketball players, but every hockey player who makes it to the pros has to learn how to fight at some point in his career . Even pussies like Crosby know how to fight and have fought, and fighting on skates is 100% more difficult than fighting in shoes. I guarantee that if you picked 1 hockey player and 1 basketball player at random to fight, 99x/100x the hockey player wins.
Plus, basketball players are coddled bitches and hockey players are hard as fuck.
Does Keith Closs count? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r4NSjE7jrY
Fuck off Mo. U are an idiot
Such a dumb question, you obviously take the guys who regularly fight as a part of the sport not the guys who complain when someone lays a finger on them in the paint. Fighting is all about toughness and balls, something that NHL players have an abundance of and NBA players severely lack.
99% sure that Detroit FANS beat the shit out of half the pacers and the rest had to be guarded off the court, basketball players can’t even beat up normal people. NHL players fight for a living in some cases, size of the fight in the dog means everything.
Gheorghe Muresan wins the royal rumble 100 times out of 100.
Yeah, um, we’ve seen Carmello slap…and run. He’s the equivalent of PK Subban, except I think even Subban kicks the shit out of Carmello. The only way the NBA guy wins is if they throw a gun and/or knife in the middle of the floor. The only guy I’d take in your stupid scenario is Oakley. That’s it.
it’s funny seeing people call 6’7″ ripped to shreds monsters “pussies”. Guys ever see Sidney Crosby? Ever see him fight?
You keep your sweater-grappling ‘fights’ in hockey. In a street brawl, there probably isn’t even a dude in the NBA who can hang with Nate Robinson, let alone some of the other genetic-freaks in the league.
dude in the *NHL, not NBA, obviously
NBA players bitch about getting TOUCHED in their sport. Never mind getting cranked on every shift.
Look up the name Kermit Washington…
Second, I don’t think you watch or know anything about NHL hockey or fights. NBA players you mention are all active players – who are not known for being tough – if that’s your sample I would say NHL by a landslide would beat the crap out of any NBA player today.
Consider, names like Calvin Johnson, Bill Laimbeer, Norm Van Leer, Kermit Washington, Anthony Mason as fighters and tough guys. Compare that to Stu Grimson, Bob Probert, Dave Shultz, Dave Mason, Wade Belak, John Kordic… NHL guys kill – NBA guys they complain about getting bumped or disrespected.
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Is it a no DQ match? Because if not, Vince Carter gets paralyzed by a phantom low blow when the ref’s back is turned and wins via disqualification. If it’s a no DQ match, Kurt Thomas wins and it’s not even close.
If we’re talking about average player I gotta go with NBA. Just a much bigger size and strength advantage on average. Obviously individual macthups will be different. I don’t think the comparisons between NBA “fights” and hockey fights makes any difference. First NBA players rarely fight and when they do they generally don’t throw haymakers due to the huge fines and suspensions. When hockey players fight, they grab onto each others jerseys, circle around, miss with every punch or punch helmets and then fall to the ground. Not really the same as a true brawl.
And I got Scalabrine in the Royal Rumble
1 on 1, no weapons and in a ring (so the NBA player can’t run away like they do) the hockey player wins ground and pound style. Now if it was in the streets it’d be atleast 5 NBA players on 1 NHL player and even if the NHL was winning Delonte West would pull up on his bike and start firing shotguns. Bottom line is a hockey player can take a punch and NBA players can’t, end of discussion.
Anyone who thinks hockey goons could beat bigger NBA guys in a fight is an idiot. Especially the guys in the NBA who come from eastern Europe and are taller than 6ft8.
And there is a reason why bball fights are slappers, as someone put it: when they actually hit someone, they break a guys face in two (Rudy Tomjanovich for example). If Chara were to hit Zo Mourning, for example, that would sure hurt. If Zo would hit Chara back, he’d be dead. End of discussion.
pretty much anyone on the Bruins would kill anyone in the NBA!! when was the last time u saw an NBA player throw a legit punch?!?! all are hay-makers and all have bad form!! watch a good NHL fight and check the form!!
people, NBA players are more athletic, bigger, faster, and (lbs for lbs) stronger then ANY other sport. Look at high school football coaches, when they look to recruit athletes where do they look? Local basketball courts! Does Coach Taylor go to the local hockey rinks? Hell No! And ^angel I’m assuming question is based off a street fight. Two walk in an alley and one walks out. If any of you had 1000 dollars to bet on who walks out who would you choose? Seriously, that’s what it comes down to. My moneys on the NBA guy. Dwight Howard Vs Chara… HOWARD. Nate Robinson Vs. Brier… Really? It’s not a matter of whose tougher it’s WHO WOULD WIN!
people, NBA players are more athletic, bigger, faster, and (lbs for lbs) stronger then ANY other sport. Look at high school football coaches, when they look to recruit athletes where do they look? Local basketball courts! Does Coach Taylor go to the local hockey rinks? Hell No! And ^angel I’m assuming question is based off a street fight. Two walk in an alley and one walks out. If any of you had 1000 dollars to bet on who walks out who would you choose? Seriously, that’s what it comes down to. My moneys on the NBA guy. Dwight Howard Vs Chara… HOWARD. Nate Robinson Vs. Brier… Really? It’s not a matter of whose tougher it’s WHO WOULD WIN!
Tale of the Tape:
Height – NBA, who are we kidding with this one
Weight – NHL, this one is probably even but fuck it, NHL has more gear
Reach – NBA, again, no debate there
Intangibles – NHL, NHL players can take 15 stitches and not miss a shift. NBA players get carted off the floor like Paul Pierce with just a leg cramp.
Winner: NBA. Was it even a legit question? NHL fights are one on one. NBA fights are for alls, with few actual one on one fights, dominated with slaps and sucker punches (Ex. Cincy v Xavier)
NHL players train in MMA, I think someone who trained in MMA would do pretty well in a street fight.
They would have to fight in the same weight classes for it to be fair, say within 10 pounds of the opponent. Obviously the NBA players are much bigger, on average, but that doesn’t mean tougher or better fighters. Fights in the same weight classes would be interesting. I know that “heavyweight” is everything above a certain weight, but for the sake of argument lets just say in this example the opponents must be within 10 pounds of each other. You would have guys like Metta World Peace fighting Chara and guys like Aaron Asham fighting D-Wade. Very interesting indeed….
Not even close, NHL players win in a romp.
NHL>NBA
real tough call here. you just have to be sure to not punch any black people in the head. because it’s well known black people have very hard heads and u’d have better luck breaking a decent sized boulder in half. better off kicking them in the shins.
That’s funny!!!!! NBA players are the world’s biggest pussies and then you put them up against some of the toughest M’f'ers on the plant.
Better question would be, WWE Wrassler or NBA pussy-boy gangster wanna-be?? Both ‘sports’ are faker than a $3 bill.
“Look at high school football coaches, when they look to recruit athletes where do they look?” In my town they look to the hockey team.
NBA????????????????????????????????????
What’s that?
I’ve seen many slap fights in the NBA but I’ve never seen a slap fight in the NHL.
BTW, it’s criminal that you wrote a blog about this without stating if they’re fighting on a rink, court or ring. On the ice, I’ll take any hockey player over any NBA player. In a ring, you have to think about matchups. In a ring, pound for pound, I’ll easily take a 6’5 235 lb NHL player over any 6’8 235 lb NBA player.
hangtime you’re ignorant. you’ve obviously never player hockey or even ice skated before. If you had, you would know that NHL players are the most well conditioned athletes of the 4 major sports. They also play a game filled will violent contact as opposed to the NBA where if you breath on someone too closely you get a foul. Not to mention they fight on a regular basis. Chris Pronger stands at 6’6″ and somewhere around 225lbs. Lebron James is 6’8″, roughly 250. Pronger would without doubt destroy James simply because of his experience fighting. as far as basketball players being “bigger, faster, stronger”, Ovechkin is 6’2″ 240lbs. No one in the NBA has that kind of size at that height. In an even close to even fight, the hockey player wins 9 times out of 10. In a brawl, well, there’s 20 active players on each NHL team per game, the NBA limit is 12, you do the math.
Put down the glue ……NHL all day and twice on sundays
Not even fucking close
Im surprised by some of the stupidity here. No!- hockey players are not better fighters because they fight on ice. That doesnt mean they will be that much better on the ground. Zero translation to an actual fight. planting your feet, holding onto the other mans shirt, and leaning away, waiting to blindly throw punches isnt a real fight. And for you idiots calling NBA players bitches because they complain about being hit – ITS IN THE RULES. They complain because it isnt legal in the sport!! Kobe doesnt complain about getting hit on the arm on a jump shot bc it hurt too much… Go sit under a hoop at a game a watch those guys battle for a rebound, and not say a word. AND to the point of the question, AVERAGE player -
The average NHLer is 73.33″ (6′ 1 1/3″) tall, weighs 204.42 lbs. The average height of all NBA players is just under 6 feet 7 inches (2.01 m), with the average weight being close to 222 pounds. Both tough athletes – but you give one (more athletic and faster) man a 5 inch, 20lb advantage, I think its obvious who wins in a fight. There’s a reason why they have weight classes in boxing, UFC, MMA… Bigger guys murder smaller guys.
All time Royal rumble – David Robinson vs. Dennis Rodman – last two men standing
NBA players are almost as bad as soccer players when it comes to being pussies. You see a hockey player bleed in a fight hes still rumblin and stumblin but you see an NBA player and hes down and out for the fuckin count
^therealbt took the words right out of my mouth. If you were allowed to tackle people in the NBA and throw elbows then dudes certainly would be doing it and not saying shit but that kind of contact is not allowed. Yea NBA players must all be pussies cuz it sure doesn’t take alot of balls to step in and take a charge when a guy like LeBron is going full speed toward the hoop (and you don’t have pads either). I don’t think anyone is arguing that NHL players are tough as shit, but being tough doesn’t mean you can win a fight against someone who’s bigger and stronger than you are – especially a real fight and not a sweater pulling contest
Pound for pound i take Kyle Lowry but overall Reggie Evans is winning this shit
^^hangtime5569
You are out of your mind claiming basketball players are better athletes than hockey players or stronger than hockey players. Taller on average, but the others are just outrageous claims like saying you invented the question mark.
Basketball players run on wood floors and shoot at a hoop that’s 2 feet above their heads.
Hockey players do their thing on skates at 15-20mph and have to make plays in fractions of a second.
Get your shit straight.
thank you ^therealbt for bringing some common sense to the argument. there is a big difference among the AVERAGE player for both leagues. its really simple NBA players r just more physically imposing. the big guys in the NBA are bigger than the big guys in the NHL, and as u go down from the biggest guys to the smaller guys, relatively speaking, the NBA player will have the physical advantage. fuck outta here with NBA players r pussies. Maybe within the game they might flop or if theres a fight on the court they might just push and woof at each other but thats because fighting is not an important part of the game like in the NHL, it will in fact get the NBA player suspended for many games and fined a shitload. If they were challenged to a fight of the court they would destroy people. Theyre fuckin real life GIANTS for Christs sake! The average height of a point guard is 6’1 and theyre the little guys.
When was the last time the NBA guys actually got into a real fight that didn’t get broken up in 30 seconds? Bullshit. Hockey players are tough as fuckin nails. They will spit teeth out and keep going?? knuckles bloody from your head/teeth getttin bashed in?? No problem, they will still keep going. Plus the balance and center of gravity is way stronger. The tall guys will fall and then turtle. Plus they are too pretty to actually get hit in the face.
Hockey players FTW
and hockey players drop the gloves just for the fuck of it. NBA punks are chicken shit and are pussies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac
kevem, you just described 97% of the meth addict hobos roaming around the streets so does that mean that they’re going to win in a fight just because they’re “tough as fuckin nails”?! i’ll give it to hockey players that they’re tough as shit, but there’s NO WAY that they would match up against basketball players overall. if you break it up by weight class, there’s no doubt in my mind that NHL players would just maul the majority of the NBA’s point and shooting guards. but when you start moving into the upper weights (until you reach the last catch-all weight of heavyweight) the NHL players wouldn’t stand a chance and anyone who argues otherwise is “dumb as fucking nails”
you MUST be high. Yeah, the average NBA player is bigger, but there is no answer in the NBA for the enforcer, guys who are literally on the ice to fight and make other players their bitches. If we’re talking all time tough guys there’s no fucking way the NBA comes close if we don’t allow tech-9′s and prison shanks. Guys like Terry O’Reilly and Marty McSorley would cut a fucking swathe through NBA players, they’d have no answer.
Just looked up this “bad ass” Kermit Washington fellow and saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgqUZ1IAA_8
Seriously? The guy who cheap-shotted some schmo is your champion of yore?
This question is a joke, just like that video I posted.
Most comments ever on the Philly site? Bravo Mo
dumbest post ever… almost as bad as Mo’s MFK picks… just because NBA players are tall and have big biceps doesn’t mean they can fight… the average enforcer on any team would rip Shaq to shreds… bank on that… guess what happens when a fight goes to the ground? Size doesn’t matter…
Can we just agree that Soccer players are the biggest bunch of pu$$ies in the world…
^^billybaroo, your blog is an absolute joke. Look at the top 10 hockey plays of all time vs top 10 baskeball plays of all time. Which, in your mind, is harder to accomplish? All you hockey fans are just hating! Yeah it’s real fucking athletic to see a shot coming at you and “cough cough intentionally” deflict it in. Usually it deflicts of a player or a scrum infront of the net. Yeah that’s real athletic! Try timing an alley-oop. It happens like 4 times a game. These guys make it look too easy. Hockey guys make it look shitty.
I’ve been having this argument with hockey players for years. Hockey side goes like this: they fight on skates bla bla bla they fight for a living bla bla bla they’ve been fighting their whole lives bla bla bla.
Shaq is 320 lbs of scary black man. I don’t give a fuck how tough you are or if you can fight on skates. There comes a point when size matters. There is just no fucking way the toughest hockey player could fux with Dwight Howard. He would rip their arms out of their sockets like Chewbacca.
And the reason NBA players don’t fight on a nightly basis is because they’d get suspended for 20 games without pay instead of a fucking 5 minute penalty.
Nope. The only way the toughest hockey player beats the toughest basketball player is if they’re both on skates.
Also, just cements my point that hockey players are the most insecure fucks on the planet
@hangtime you’re fucking retarded. You should seriously be checked for down syndrom. Every single aspect of hockey is significantly more difficult than anything in Basketball. You’re tryin to argue how hard it is to time an ally-oop? are you fuckin kidding me?? try taking a 1-timer (a 1-timer is a slapshot without first stopping the puck when its passed to you) from the point (the point is where the defenseman lines up when in the offensive zone) and putting it in a 6″ x 6″ window at a net thats 60ft away. Keep in mind, the puck is 1/100 the size of a basketball, its moving roughly 4 times as fast as an alley-oop pass, and you have to hit it with a fucking stick! If an alley-oop is so hard, then how come it happens all the time?? goddamn if you seriously think basketball takes more skill than hockey then you should be sterilized so you dont fucking contaminate the gene pool.
Your name is sorryforpartying11. Kill yourself you tool.
Elbostonsucks, your an idiot. If NBA players were trained and practiced to the extent of their hockey counterparts they would DOMINATE the league. Imagine lebron james on skates with equal training hours (from when they first played as a kid) til now he would be virtually unstoppable. I cant, however, make the same determination as far as hockey players go. I understand you want to show your support but I respectfully disagree. And to belittle the people who actually have that disorder is pretty low man. Let’s compare assets… Seriously!
Gotta love how an NBA fan feels the need to bring this topic up, you think an NHL fan ever would… no, because it’s not even a real discussion. This argument is so one sided it’s out of control. Have you ever seen an NBA fight? The better question would be, who’d win in a fight, the NBA or WNBA?
obviously nba players either pull out a gun or their posse jumps in and stomps the hockey player. only way on planet earth they stand a chance. anyone that thinks an nba player could go toe to toe vs an nhl players is fucking bonkers. there is atleast 8 guys on the bruins alone who would destroy lebron in a straight up fight
Only a lanky black guy would even consider this retarded question. Ever see an NBA fight? Iys lie 2 elongated scarecrows flinging 8 foot arms around in tard circles. WTF wake up
i see a lot of comments from people who have never been in a hockey fight- probably not a real one either.
has anyone in here had to fight a guy bigger than them and won? it happens. being able to take a punch or two, having experience in fights, and knowing how to land punches (watch an nhler switch hands) means a shit ton more in a fight than bicep size and height
what did you say about its not the size of the fight in the dog? remember pj stock? haha yea ill take him over anyone guys fucking insane. and everyone knows black people cant fight. thats why they always have guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJJPivHWy2k
Mo with all due respect, your out of your mind if you think an NBA player could beat up an NHl players. Save for the super big guys, most NBA players are very soft. The typical NHLplayer knows how to fight and they are extremely tough in terms of withstanding pain. This isn’t even a debate.
If you are talking about the “average” players in both sports, you are probably right Mo. If you are talking about actual NHL enforcers, we have a different game altogether. You take a Bob Probert (God rest his soul) or a Marty McSorley and in their prime and put them up against anyone in the NBA and you got a fight I don’t care how damn big the player is. If you are talking about a Martin St Loius, then its a no-brainer. Overall toughness, not necessarily a fight involved, but physical abuse to the body, enduring and playing through pain etc, and the NHL is top to bottom tougher than damn near any other sport. I would say much of the NFL Boxing and Rugby are in the same ballpark but NBA players don’t even get tickets in the cheap seats for that.
saying nba players cant fight is pretty ignorant, you have no idea if they can or not because it is not allowed in their sport. fines, suspensions etc dont allow for them to go blow to blow with anyone thats why all you see are “slap fights” and “pushing” that being said nhl players as a whole are obviously tougher and play a sport with more contact. and yes nba players bitch and moan over phantom calls and shit like that but thats because its part of the game. theres a bit of acting in every sport… even hockey or football to draw a penalty. so i think no question hockey players are tough but to say nba players are pussies because they dont fight and always act like they got hit by a car is ridiculous because its part of their sport
I’m interested in seeing the NBA royal rumble. Ben Wallace wins hands down, but Jermaine O’neal is a close runner-up.
To whoever the fucking idiot who said timing an alley oop is harder than deflecting a slapshot, you are retarded. I went to high school with a black kid that was literally RETARDED and you could alley oop him the ball. Deflecting a 90 mph slapshot is obviously more difficult.
nhl players are better at basketball than nba players, sooo….
yeah hangtime you def never played a sport in your life to talk the way you do…stick to fantasy sports you squid
I dont know if your referring to his intelligence or motor skills but I’m assuming intelligence which has nothing to do with athleticism ie delonte west. Basketball is more athletic then hockey simply put. Seriously someone answer my question, if Lebron James trained as much in hockey as he did in basketball growing up would he be a dominant force in the NHL. hm? Now compare that with Sidney crosby playing hoops. unless he’s stroking threes like JJ reddick hes got no shot. Or I’ll agree that lebrons chances of success are greater.
@hangtime your clueless, lets give sidney a 6’8″ frame? theres no argument here, straight fist fight, the average hockey player beats a NBA player
there are enough grinders out there in the nhl to take out the scrubs in the nba. more players in the nhl know how to fight than the nba
I would LOVE to see LeBron try to fight Chara, Pronger, Colton Orr, the late Derek Boogard etc.
Mo you usually hit the nail on the head…. not this time… Punching is more effective than slapping.. NHL wins.. no contest
Most of these comments about NBA players being ripped or being athletic so that means they’re tough & can fight are fucking retarded. I got into this arguement with The Big O about 10 yrs ago after one of these bitch slap fest NBA “fights” happened I’ve never seen a basketball player ever throw a real punch that didn’t look like a fag or a toddler in a scuffle. None of them can even take a punch either. I brought up how just because these skinny yard apes are muscular & are bald & covered in tats that doesn’t make them tough. Tie Domi at 5′-9″ & 190 would fucking destroy everyone in the NBA, because he loves to fight, has been in thousands of fights doesn’t panic & has great leverage & a granite chin. Remember him smiling while fighting Stu Grimson who was a foot taller than him & outweighed him by 30lbs? Arnold has big muscles but Uriah Faber would kill him. NBA is one step above soccer when it comes to toughness. I’m sick of all of these jigs getting this automatic street cred for being tough just cuz they’re black. Get them one on one & they’re pussys, in a herd like down at Franklin Pierce College & they’re guys
Tie dome would destroy anyone in the NBA? You need medication. He has great leverage? Over basketball players? I just don’t see your point. Has nothing to do with their color. If your going mma style octagon it’s not even fair black tatted up baller murders him. KO
brocklanders, if you’ve never seen an NBA player throw a punch, how do you know they wouldn’t be able to take one either? you fucking retard. sure you have a couple tie domi’s in the NHL that would be able to hold their own against most NBA players, but it WILL reach a point where the basketball players size and strength will overpower ANY NHL player. i’d love to see you look at anyone straight in the face and tell them that tie domi’s midget-y, bowling ball headed ass would be able to beat dwight or shaq or ANY big man in the NBA.
Bob Sapp is the biggest black dude on Earth and I’ve seen that giant prick reduced to tears while he was still in the ring at the hands of much smaller guys. I’m going with the group of guys who actually have fighting experience over a bunch of lanky oafs
you’re pretty sheltered if you think bob sapp’s the biggest black dude’s on earth. mark henry (of olympic and wwe fame) is easily 75-100 lbs bigger than bob sapp ever could be and that’s just me thinking off the top of my head
Winning1 you tell people know how to fight by how they throw punches you idiot. Most NHL players excluding the european faggy ones that play for Montreal & Vancouver know how to punch & take punches. They don’t just flail & swing their arms like a girl or a tranny when they get into a scuffle. Every NBA fight looks like that to me. Yes most of these NBA players are huge physical specimens with scary tattoos but it doesn’t mean shit Do you think WWE is real too because Hulk Hogan has big muscles he’s the toughest guy on the face of the planet? If you grow up playing a physical game like hockey that involves fighting you are used to getting hit so that you don’t panic, close your eyes & just start swinging. Take Brock Lesnar for instance. Tremendous college wrestler & athelete, did fake WWE for years & tried to fight in the UFC. as long as he was on top he could destroy guys with his wrestling. Once he got in there with another wrestler his size that could box & take punches, he got hit in the face & instintively turtled like a kid on a playground. Every NBA fight I’ve seen looks like guys just pushing & swinging their arms while going backwards. And to Hangtime 5569, ya leverage obviously u punch like afag too. Punching isn’t just your arms dummy, it starts from the feet being set properly & generates from the twisting of the core of your midsection & turning your hips, not just swinging your tatted up long arms. You can’t honestly say that when you watch these guys fighting in hoops that it looks like they know how to fight, please.
Yo Brocklanders, yeah dude leverage gives advantage in a fight. Hence why in boxing matches they highlight each athletes reach. Look tattoos an being tough and black have NOTHING to do with it. It’s athletics. Pure and simple survival of the fittest. Just cause they don’t fight in there sport doesn’t mean they can’t fight. I don’t condone fighting cause I think it’s very stupid but back to the question: average NBA guy and NHL guy walk in an alley and one walks out. Who you betting on? Easy money!
Yo Brocklanders, yeah dude leverage gives advantage in a fight. Hence why in boxing matches they highlight each athletes reach. Look tattoos an being tough and black have NOTHING to do with it. It’s athletics. Pure and simple survival of the fittest. Just cause they don’t fight in there sport doesn’t mean they can’t fight. I don’t condone fighting cause I think it’s very stupid but back to the question: average NBA guy and NHL guy walk in an alley and one walks out. Who you betting on? Easy money!
You are basis your argument that they can fight based on athletics, I’m basing mine that they can fight better than any other players in any sport because I see them fighting, & when they fight they are used to it & know what they are doing, so that would translate actually easier to having a fight out in a bar because they wouldn’t have skates on. Most nhl players are used to fighting because it’s part of their sport. Any fight in any other sport like nba or mlb looks like guys in a panic, not used to fighting pushing & flailing away in survival mode cuz they’re scared of getting hit. Watch an nhl fight & you’ll see they are not scared they’re under control & know how to take & throw punches. Never seen that in hoops so I don’t know how you think someone’s a better athlete gonna beat the shit outta a guy who’s experienced in fighting or how he looks physically. People thought Kimbo Slice would walk through anyone in the UFC based on how scary the guy looks & from watching him KO guys in parking lots. He got KO’d by a jab by a nobody lower level pro mma fighter in about 10 sec. The guy he fought took the fight on a few hrs notice as an injury replacement. The mma guy won because he wasn’t scared,knew how to punch & take a punch therefore he wasn’t intimidated by Kimbo, so he didn’t panic. If an nba player started shit with an avg. physical nhl player, not one of the faggy Sedin twin types, he’d try to intimidate the guy because he’s afraid to fight. This is a day at the office for the hockey guy, so when the nba guy throws this wild telegraphed overhand bitch punch with his eyes closed he’d duck under maybe even get caught with part of it, he’d grab ahold of him & punch the shit outta him until the nba guy pulled a gat from his pants & held it like will Smith in Bad Boys & started shooting hitting about 10 people in the ass.
As much as I want to let this go I just can’t. Grab a hold of something? You keep mentioning MMA so I’m assuming it’s an MMA style fight then. So no shirts!!! IE can’t use the fighting techniques that they have learned through playing hockey. And athletics are directly related to fighting cause it’s hand eye cordnation, speed, vision, decision making… you get the picture. Look hockey players are tougher I never said that, but back to the question average hockey player vs average hoops player. 6’7 220 vs 6’1 205 it’s no contest. After the victory blazing lil Wayne 6’7″
As much as I want to let this go I just can’t. Grab a hold of something? You keep mentioning MMA so I’m assuming it’s an MMA style fight then. So no shirts!!! IE can’t use the fighting techniques that they have learned through playing hockey. And athletics are directly related to fighting cause it’s hand eye cordnation, speed, vision, decision making… you get the picture. Look hockey players are tougher I never said that, but back to the question average hockey player vs average hoops player. 6’7 220 vs 6’1 205 it’s no contest. After the victory blazing lil Wayne 6’7″
NHL player rated toughest man Derek boogaard 6’7 250 vs Dwight Howard 7’0″ 270 would be unreal. Dudes got zero percent body fat and a 7’6″ wing span. Could probably palm a 16 lbs bowling ball. Would pay to see that fight.
You keep dodging my question. When you see nba players fighting on the court does it look like they know how to fight or are they just in survival mode & swing away & flailing their arms like 5yr olds on a playground. If it’s base on athlectic ability then your saying Michael Jordan could beat up any nhl player because he can run & jump higher? That’s fucking rediculous. If one guy can fight, is used to getting hit in the face & isn’t afraid, it doesn’t matter who he’s fighting in a bar fight against someone 100 lbs bigger than him. It’s been proven in ufc 1. Royce gracie was 5’9 170lbs & beat 4 guys in one night & one of them was almost 300lbs. Answer the question about what nba fights look like compared to nhl fights & theres your answer
Typical that you picked the NBA (not even being racist), you just don’t know shit about the NHL. Even if a player isn’t currently a “goon” in the NHL, chances are in their late teens, they were in at least a few fights when they were playing in Juniors on the way to the NHL (especially North American hockey players). Basketball fights are also nothing more than a slap contest. Fights in other sports rarely involve fists. NFL – Shoving contests, NBA – slaps, MLB – slaps, shoves, circling mobs. NHL WINS EVERY TIME
The guys in the NBA rarely fight and don’t know how to – they’ve grown up their entire lives being earmarked for basketball greatness (most of them) and since many are so tall they don’t get picked on in the “hood” – but tall don’t mean sh*t in a street fight – look at WEIGHT too – if a guy is 6’1 and weighs 210 vs. a guy who is 6’8 and weighs 230…if we’re talking equal amounts body fat, the 6’1 guy is the “bigger” guy in terms of muscle mass and strength. Part of the weight of the 6’8 guy’s 20 lbs is literally bone and “frame” – the 6’1 guy will be stronger 100 times outta 100, all the tall guy has is reach, but a guy 6’1 would use the 6’8 guys ballsack as a fucking punching bag while taking rabbit punches to the back of the head
NHL players flail their arms too in fight. They grab the other guys sweater and throw punches. NBA players just look more awkward cause of their 7 foot wingspan. Of course Shawn Bradley is going to look more awkward throwing a punch then the av NHL player cause of the length of the punch. And what does athletics have to do with fighting. Everything! Nate Robinson 5’8″ 180 is a fucking tank he can jump over Dwight Howard and dunk. “what does jumping have to do what is this streetfighter hangtime” umm alot bro cause you generate power from your hips.
NHL players flail their arms too in fight. They grab the other guys sweater and throw punches. NBA players just look more awkward cause of their 7 foot wingspan. Of course Shawn Bradley is going to look more awkward throwing a punch then the av NHL player cause of the length of the punch. And what does athletics have to do with fighting. Everything! Nate Robinson 5’8″ 180 is a fucking tank he can jump over Dwight Howard and dunk. “what does jumping have to do what is this streetfighter hangtime” umm alot bro cause you generate power from your hips.
Answer my question. The two walk in an alley who walks out? Obviously you’ll say NHL. Fine you got 1000 dollars to bet. Random choice between hockey and basketball (pro) athletes which was the original question. Who you betting on? You know deep down who your betting on.
Answer my question. The two walk in an alley who walks out? Obviously you’ll say NHL. Fine you got 1000 dollars to bet. Random choice between hockey and basketball (pro) athletes which was the original question. Who you betting on? You know deep down who your betting on.
i know philly hates lucic but dude is a legit boxer and knows how to fight(on and off skates), same with thornton. just by watching my bruins, like 90% have either fought or are regular fighters and im sure most nhl teams’ players have a high percentage of fighting experience. nhl players can take anything too, they lose teeth, get hit harder and faster than any other sport, actually fight. meanwhile nba players need 5 minutes to deal with a poked eye.
You are OUT OF YOUR MIND to take an NBA player over an NHL player. Size means almost nothing when it comes to fighting. Especially because most of the NBA guys are so damn big that they’re slow and clumsy.
Also, even the “non-fighters” in the NHL had to learn to fight coming up thru the minors/juniors, etc. The actual fighters are basically boxers, who know how to skate too. I’d say every single player on the Bruins, to a man, can fight. It’s a part of the game.
Bottom line: I’d take the Boston Bruins in a brawl against any 20 NBA players you want to put together.
hangtime5569, langdon1975… have you guys ever been in an actual fight in your lives?
“My moneys on the NBA guy. Dwight Howard Vs Chara… HOWARD.”
I only wish I knew you, and somehow I could set this up. I would take every dollar I could find and put it on Chara.
Hangtime I’ll put $1000 up against 1000 bucks on your EBT card that any physical NHL player could beat the shit out of any NBA player you choose in a street fight. You keep talking about athletic ability & the reason NBA players punches look so awkward is because their arms are long? You are completely dillusional. Arm length is another retarded arguement. Jon Jones the current LHW champ of the UFC has an 84″ reach, & looks completely natural destroying guys withh his punches because he’s a fighter, Zdeno Chara is 6’9″ & can throw punches with out looking like a tranny like every nba player i’ve seen fight end of story!
dwights a fuckin monster but id put every dollar i had on any freakishly sized NHLer over dwight. the late (RIP) derek boogaard could literally kill dwight howard. sure, howards got 5 inches on him. boogaards got 2 balls on him. victory, NHL
“The average NHLer is 73.33″ (6′ 1 1/3″) tall, weighs 204.42 lbs. The average height of all NBA players is just under 6 feet 7 inches (2.01 m), with the average weight being close to 222 pounds. Both tough athletes – but you give one (more athletic and faster) man a 5 inch, 20lb advantage, I think its obvious who wins in a fight. There’s a reason why they have weight classes in boxing, UFC, MMA… Bigger guys murder smaller guys.”
Your assumption is based on the fact that both men really know how to fight. If both guys have comparable ability, then 5 inches and 20 lbs makes a big difference. But your assumption is wrong. In the UFC, both guys are professional fighters. I would take Zdeno Chara or Shawn Thornton against any NBA player you can find.
If this wasn’t such a stupid, unrealistic topic it would make a great espn first take debate. If NBA players trained in hockey growing up then basketball they would DOMINATE the league. Not cause they’re black but because basketball players are more athletic, bigger, faster, and yes stronger (lbs for lbs) then any other sport. Most could quit and get picked up by most NFL teams for a te wr or de. Light years ahead. Everyone who says athleticism has nothing to do with fighting is ignorant. Hockey fights aren’t like boxing matches at ALL. They grab the other guys jersey and go to work. I’ll concede if it were a hockey grab a shirt fight yes
chara would most likely win. Scheduled street fight… It’s game over!
brocklanders, for starters, stop equating every one of your points to MMA. It’s completely different. the style of fighting in hockey, while granted it’s still punching and getting punched, has next to NOTHING in common in terms of style to MMA. Shirt pulling + uppercuts DOES NOT EQUAL well thought out fighting gameplans, plain and simple. You keep saying that you haven’t seen any NBA players throw real punches. Well no shit you haven’t; that’s because they’d get ejected from the game, fined, and suspended for multiple subsequent games if they ever did throw a real punch. So really, you haven’t seen shit with what an NBA player can do (with the exception of the Ron Artest brawl). Stop making snap judgments on something you haven’t seen. All you can judge the NBA player by is their athletic ability and how it would translate to a fight; not the fact that they slap each other and complain about poked eyes or getting hacked as they drive to the basket.
At the end of the day, my money will be on the NBA player coming out of that alley
Winning1 you keep making my point but your either too stupid or high to realize it. I’m basing my opinion based on seeing nhl players ability to fight & not afraid of getting hit, now your agreeing with me that you haven’t seen nba guys throw real punches because they’re not allowed to for fear of getting ejected? Are you fucking serious? so out on the street they can flip the switch & be able to keep their head & be able to punch & take punches even though they have no experience in doing so?You keep trying to equate athhletic ability as some type of potential even though the video evidence or hockey players fighting all the time has no bearing on what you think. I keep referring to mma because both hockey players who fight & mma & boxers are used to getting hit, so they don’t panic. By the way there aren’t gameplans in street fights from any of the fights I have ever been in. You are making snap judgements not me
Winning, thank you. Dude above is a clown. It’s fight or flight man everyone gets a little panicked. Think about right before you start the fight. Knees shaking, heart beating so hard. That’s panic. Happens to everyone regardless of experience. The only reason you think hockey wins is because of experience. Any physical NHLer vs any NBA guy okay. So your saying Dan carcillo, who is considered a physical NHLer, would beat up ben Wallace? Okay weight class, I’d still take Nate Robinson over him as well. You’ve lost it.
Winning, thank you. Dude above is a clown. It’s fight or flight man everyone gets a little panicked. Think about right before you start the fight. Knees shaking, heart beating so hard. That’s panic. Happens to everyone regardless of experience. The only reason you think hockey wins is because of experience. Any physical NHLer vs any NBA guy okay. So your saying Dan carcillo, who is considered a physical NHLer, would beat up ben Wallace? Okay weight class, I’d still take Nate Robinson over him as well. You’ve lost it.
Seriously take the skates off and play on grass you pretty much have a bunch of dudes playing field hockey.
“hangtime5569 on January 25, 2012 at 3:14 am
Seriously take the skates off and play on grass you pretty much have a bunch of dudes playing field hockey.”
Buddy, you’re a joke. It’s not even worth discussing it with you b/c you’re just that clueless. Do you seriously think an NHL player “panics” before a fight starts? Are you that fucking stupid?
Lastly, for all of you who still don’t understand this concept, athleticism does not translate to fighting ability.
Like Tyson once said, “These other guys are athletes, they could play other sports. Not me, I’m just a fighter.”
If any of you really believe that you can find an NBA player who could take Shawn Thornton or Zdeno Chara in a streetfight, you should get a psychiatric evaluation.
Thornton is only 6′ 1″. I’ll take him over Shaq, and I’d bet my life savings on it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/dunk-candidate-oklahoma-state-markel-brown-043138137.html
To whoever said any retard can catch an alley oop. Dudes 6 2
Iron Eagle, I wish it were possible for something like this to actually happen. Because I’d gladly take your bet, then laugh at you every day as you lived in a box in an alley behind some chinese restaurant
winning1,
If you put this proposition in front of Shawn Thorton and Shaq, who do you think would refuse to fight? That’s right, it’d be Shaq. Because he already knows what you don’t.
You sound like a colossal pussy, just like 95% of the NBA players. I think if you’d ever actually been in a fight (at all, nevermind with an NHL player), you’d understand how fucking stupid you sound.